The new reference site for the Barbet: French Water Dog. Updated regularly with lots of photos, news and many statistics never available in the Barbet world to this date. http://frenchwaterdog.org/
The International Barbet meeting/symposium will be held in Châtel Guyon, France on August 4th. Please plan to be there!We need you and your Barbets! Regular updates on information in post linked.Updated 26/03/2012 Le Rassemblement/ Symposium de Barbets aura lieu le 4 août à Chatel Guyon. Réservez cette date dans vos agendas!Nous avons besoin de vous et de vos Barbets! Visitez régulièrement ce poste, mis à jour régulièrement depuis l'annonce du Symposium.
Colleen de la serve de la chapelle d'Alexandre et sa famille!
********************************************************************* All my pups are vaccinated,chipped, registered with the French SCC/LOF; DNA'd since 2007. They are socialized and chosen according to your wishes(male/female;companion;show quality;hunting. Prices are according to selection.(average 1200€)
Upcoming litters( born or to be born) this spring 2012 using males or females of my production or their offsprings:
In Sweden: Clayhill Eponine( Tova)and Cooper de la serve de la chapelle d'Alexandre (Clyde) 6 pups born 20/03/2012 http://www.abyfjorden.se/valpar.html
In the Netherlands: Quaciendas Alba and Novaforesta Dudley, aka Ooli, mating planned for March 2012) http://www.nuphars.nl/index.htm
In the Uk:Courailée Ebène and Novaforesta Dudley, aka Ooli (6 pups born 23/03/12)
In Sweden: Colleen de la serve de la chapelle d'Alexandre and Quaciendas Nubie Aqua-Aura "Broen"(8 pups born 22/02/2012)
In Switzerland: Ela Samba de la serve de la Chapelle d'Alexandre and Joy Division von Zulimo, (10 pups born 11/03/2012)
In Switzerland: Ivy von Zulimo and Domingo P de la serve de la chapelle d'Alexandre(4 pups born March 2012).
Hot off the press:
In Italy: Manon Lescaut and Ulysse di Barbochos Reiau de Prouvenco were successfully mated, births: estimated end May 2012.
Planned litter:in France:Floirac de la serve de la Chapelle d'Alexandre( soon I hope!) and Ulysse di Barbochos Reiau de Prouvenco.
Ce patrimoine canin Français reflète une vie, pour certains et plusieurs vies pour d'autres. Nous avons une obligation morale de suivre ce patrimoine, de le protéger et de le transmettre...Grand Merci à la Société Centrale Canine d'avoir offert leur soutien dans la sauvegarde de notre belle race menacée d'extinction.
This French canine heritage represents a lifetime of work for some and several for others. We have the moral obligation of keeping it alive, protecting it and transmitting it in the best way we can. Thank you the French Société Centrale Canine for having offered to help us save the breed from extinction.
Il est bon parfois, voyez-vous, de connaître l’histoire des choses et des bêtes, comme celle des hommes….Jean Castaing 1960. Son histoire en français sur le site Barbet French Treasure, sous "History" With documents that date back to the beginning of the word Barbet and the separation/ selection of the Grand Barbet into the Poodle and the Barbet continued its path as a natural rustic breed.
Committed to preserving the Authentic Barbet/Vieux Barbet Français and its genetic diversity, to keep it from looking like a poodle, which it is not and has not been since the mid-1800's when the poodle was selected to become what it is today. http://chiensdeau.free.fr/BarbetenBresse/articles.php?pg=art214
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Barbet hipscores...and narrow minds. envoyé par Elaine Fichter le 14/05/2012 @ 14:40
Statistics are the best source of information!
http://frenchwaterdog.org/2012/05/14/barbet-in-numbers-hips-dysplasia/ People who base their selection only on inbreeding% and hipscore results are doing as much harm to the breed as people using and re-using the same studs over and over and not widening their options or prerequisites just like others who only use what they are told to use, so as to get the curliest dogs imaginable with totally un-manageable coats that they cannot deal with and eventually keep their dogs shaved year round. Then they say to others..." don't get a Barbet, the coat is horrendous to keep up." That is not true, either.
Who is going to start? envoyé par Elaine Fichter le 12/05/2012 @ 09:36
Those takling ever so new activities with their Barbets to promote the breed, would certainly enjoy showing a Barbet can even do this?
I can hardly wait! This video is absolutely fabulous! Enjoy it!
Why there are very few Vieux Barbet in Switzerland envoyé par Elaine Fichter le 11/05/2012 @ 06:00
http://www.barbetprederedy.ch/5094/55001.html When only selecting on coat type,one can undertsand how races change. Leading people to believe that in the country of origin, people are unconscious about confirmation and conformation is really an attitude that is unacceptable from a country who has changed a breed.
We have fought to have Ulysse reproduce as much as possible before it becomes too late. There is not a drop of poodle blood in him which makes the difference in size and morphology from 54/55 size Barbets ( Vieux Barbet) and 60 /66 for Barbet Moderne and that has everything to to with genes and phenotype.
The added dimension of scientific study on colors below for which Pr Denis is an authority is the frosting on the cake...Blue is NOT a Barbet color. http://www.barbet.ch/html/deckruden.html Then, some will stop at nothing to slander.
Barbe bleu envoyé par Elaine Fichter le 10/05/2012 @ 20:21
From trying to work on Barbet colors,and how one may be trying to eradicate "VIEUX Barbet" colors and replace them with Barbet Moderne colors, which are not the same; I have come across a very interesting color that you can have a read about. Dilution of pigmentation. Grayish blue.Slate color. There are many examples around. Here's one, below. It starts with a black dog that progressively turns gray with age( legs, ears, body).The coats is very curly and frizzy.The coat must be kept fairly short. I am sure it sounds familiar.Look at the words in the text and you will recognize the info. Especially those who claim to be real breeders as opposed to us, only amateurs. A male this color will be 59 or more generally 60 to 66 cms tall, and kept with a very short coat, ears included.
A "VIEUX Barbet" will never arbour this color above.It is not in the genes.* The size of a "VIEUX barbet being 54 to 56 cms for a male.The coat is easier to groom and is silkier.The black hairs stay black and are mixed with white hairs.This is the color that corresponds to the 1894 standard which says: black-gray which is not black; gray...as you can see for yourself. You can hardly compare the colors and the textures.
Then, finally when you want to change or modify colors in a breed, in order to eventually eradicate a color or a line,or breeders, it certainly is important to study the repercussions it entails. Hard work, but someone has to do it when our elected representative is useless.
You ought to be able to see an entire brochette of these dogs in Austria coming up shortly. Remember you saw it here, first.
* of course there can be an exception, since with genes, one never knows.BUT, it is quite rare.
Standards change, breeds remain and dogs eventually die. envoyé par Elaine Fichter le 06/05/2012 @ 08:43
Between the 2 databases(one official and often quite "off" and the other that doesn't arrange the affairs of many), there certainly is a hellova difference when calculating inbreeding.
Ex:
One "wrong" at 30+ % that arranges some to blether about and the other rather correct!
Coefficient of Inbreeding (this value is medium) 18.2327%
Then selectiong on poodle types does not help morphology, when skeletons are completely deformed, but inbreeding is low...
Is it better to use a young dog who has done nothing in his life( except reproduce) or a dog that has a good track record, is healthy and has Barbet blood in a quantity superior to most?
Standards change, breeds remain. envoyé par Elaine Fichter le 01/05/2012 @ 08:45
Restricting colors? envoyé par Elaine Fichter le 28/04/2012 @ 19:53
This is a quite uncommon color, sable is becoming more available, but why eradicate fawn or sable with markings? Are we going for poodle colors only? Pie is a barbet color...but it is not "bicolor", but original color that many ooodles can't acces.
Back to founding fathers envoyé par Elaine Fichter le 28/04/2012 @ 17:39
The Vieux Barbet Français people claim ancestry back to R' Lucky, Gandar Dolly. The Barbet Moderne people claim ancestry back to Lynx and Sérinoire, and their poodles, of course. After all, that makes it easy, explains alot and is not a subject for discussion! If Baron Korthals can do it, why can't we? Sorry if the info is only in French, but the Barbet being a French dog with a history behind it, it's logical and now since many newbies are not interested in what a Barbet is or where it came from, why hassel translating it!
Ring that mama dry! envoyé par Elaine Fichter le 28/04/2012 @ 16:16
If we need 8 different populations(lines) with a different sub-population 3 generations back, this should be a good question at the symposium. How many times shall a male be used (up)?
I was told that all males needed to be used....Light eyed Bango and his curly queues. Which is worse?
I thought light eyes were relly really bad, like one could be disconfirmed for having light eyes...shows to go you it only depends who is holding the leash.And >6 litters later? How about using his siblings? Darn...they're not confirmed.hum.
Ulysse and Manon... envoyé par Elaine Fichter le 27/04/2012 @ 08:40
This will, if all goes well, be a litter for Vieux Barbet Français aficionados!
Ulysse is, of course confirmed in France. Bravo Ezia, Manon, Elisabeth, Urs...and Ulysse!
Love to love you, Ulysse envoyé par Elaine Fichter le 27/04/2012 @ 08:26
Ulysse di Barbochos Reiau de Prouvenco,9 months old. The purest Barbet alive today( along with his 3 siblings), living in Switzerland where he was refused his confirmation because he represented the VIEUX BARBET FRANCAIS type, morphology and curl.*
Is there anything else you judge a dog on? Darn, I forgot...the owner and the breeder, of course. And almost 9 years later, what is happening? It will be said that the owner didn't want to get him, nor his litter confirmed because they were not interested in furthering the breed.
I am the only one to have the proof about Medor and Timballe.Have I, da un tratto, become an official source of information? Because If that is the case, there's more where that came from...on crossbreedings, of course.No secret really, I have already told all of you.
Considering that the Grand Barbet ist ein Pudel... envoyé par Elaine Fichter le 26/04/2012 @ 19:14
Our dear Georgy must be laughing his rear off where he is. After years and years of him and Mrs Pêtre battling to save the VIEUX BARBET FRANCAIS, meaning the no-poodle-added version, things are evolving in the land next to France.
Very interesting site evolution by a breeder since 1995,first in at least promoting the Modern Barbet, meaning a shaved down version of a curly dog. Because we were soooooo attacked, verbally and writtenly , we had to change Old Bloodlines to Authentic Barbet to Barbet Français( which I liked the least because it is a run-on word, or vice versa with everyone jumping on the bandwagon of names ( which finally means nothing because Barbet is a generic word that designates a rough coated dog, regardless of size and Barbet is ONLY a French word!) and finally 2 wochen ago, I was able to prove that the VIEUX BARBET FRANCAIS was a name that was given to the Barbet one hundred years ago,by an eminent French cynologue, I am happy to see that Barbet Modern person recognizes it as true.Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
Facebook post is dated as reference! => Barbet France, Megnin, Father and Son. Will add it to Barbet French Treasure website, since not everyone is on FB.
In the meantime, enjoy this:
When you cross the mirror and look at it from the other side, sometimes the truth is not where you were expecting it to be.In countries who have a history of breeds and have developped breeds such as Germany and the Pudel or Budel (for which France done stole the standard), you would do well to do research in other countries. Well, that's done. Now how many people knew about this and hid it, is my question?
Booly Wooly: 6 years old. envoyé par Elaine Fichter le 19/04/2012 @ 19:11
Coincidentally, Booly Wooly's birthday and the publication of the Barbet club of America's bulletin where he features as an example of a working Barbet. What better day to do this!
Happy birthday to his brothers and Sister Bijou in Germany,France, Sweden and Finland!
All poofed out and no show to go envoyé par Elaine Fichter le 16/04/2012 @ 15:01
Booly Wooly and Compay who will do anything to make me happy, accepted the horrible tsk of being groomed just for a photo for the Symposium! No, rest assured, they would never participate in a show in France all poofed out. J C Hermans said a dog should not be touched a week before the show and certainly never be shown poofed out like a Bichon...for a rustic dog?
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After years and years of him and Mrs Pêtre battling to save the VIEUX BARBET FRANCAIS, meaning the no-poodle-added version, things are evolving in the land next to France.
, we had to change Old Bloodlines to Authentic Barbet to Barbet Français( which I liked the least because it is a run-on word, or vice versa with everyone jumping on the bandwagon of names ( which finally means nothing because Barbet is a generic word that designates a rough coated dog, regardless of size and Barbet is ONLY a French word!) and finally 2 wochen ago, I was able to prove that the VIEUX BARBET FRANCAIS was a name that was given to the Barbet one hundred years ago,by an eminent French cynologue, I am happy to see that Barbet Modern person recognizes it as true.Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh. 
